OKm now I'm pissed off.....
 

Just played a game, I was in the middle and was getting attacked strongly from top and bottom. Losing badly, my team rallied and we fought off the invaders.

Push, recover, push recover, then they start pushing more, I'm losing towns. They are bringing up more stuff, my team tries raids and fails badly. I HAD 4 towns, now I lose a big one. They are expanding, we are losing towns. I say it's over. No response, I fight on. Another big push comes, they take a big town of mine and immediatly fortify it. They push on another town and we don't have enough to fight them off. I say it's over again....no response. I lose 2 of my 3 remainig towns and most of my troops. I resign because my last town is behind enemy lines, I didn't think I could sell everything in both towns fast enough not to give them an option nd yes, I was a little frustrated.

That said, my resigning was not a big suprise and did not in any way chance the tactical picture of the game. It was over. Back in the game screen, one of my team disagreed with my "early resign" I tried explaining my position, and then the game host (other team) joins in and says listen to the vets. This isn't a vet/non vet issue. I got rolled and despite my teams best efforts we lost. I am never the first to resign so there is no way I can have a rep like some that do quit or resign when the game is far from over. Hell, the game we played just before this one with almost the same teams, they all resigned and I thought we were losing.

Anyway, what makes me mad, is the host says, "he just doesn't get it" and kicks me. WTF? I try to rejoin and find out why he kicks me and he boots me again.

I wasn't yelling at anyone. I didn't resign "without warning" I had been making resign noises for at least 5 minutes prior. I had nothing left to give. And just because I disagree with someone on tactics shouldn't be grounds to get kicked. Hell, I didn't even play that bad.


So, WTF??????

Film?

I'm not saying what I did was perfect, but it was NOT resigning while game was in balance without warning cuz I lost a town.

If your allies weren't ready to resign then I think you should have played on from there.

Looking at the film it is obvious that your team had lost by then. However from your allies point of view (and even possibly yours) it's not certain that that is the case because as far as you know your enemies might be heavily tanked and throwing them back might be enough to swing the game (although anyone noticing that Orange Nat was running Slancers, Red Cey had Xbow, Black Nat and Blue Roy both had Gauri would realise that they had a truck load of indies and/or money).

Playing on for another few minutes to make sure (or until one or more of your allies agreed to gg) would be polite.

Your team was probably slightly weaker than the other team and the map favoured them but IMHO that game was still very winnable early on. Unfortunately your team either lacked scouting or a team strategy (or both). Black was very exposed and as Nat would have been vulnerable early. With 3 roy on your team you guys could have probably pressured early there with say 3 colours while the other colour and pumped sticks from all 3 roy defended. Can't be sure but I think that would have had a good chance of rolling. The indies in that area (roun/gauri) would have been an added bonus.

Instead your team tried econning against 2 nats and a 16-5 slot advantage. GG indeed.

So by your logic, as long as one person wants to remain in the game all should?

Bollocks. There's usually one deluded soul who's off fighting half of one player, blissfully unaware that his team is being steadily devoured. People have different styles of strategic awareness, some focus on their little fishbowl and fight very well in it, but have no idea what's going on elsewhere.

There has to come a point at which you can safely kick these people in the head and say, ok, this is enough, we can play again, or grind through 10 more minutes of losing town after town.

My rule of thumb when I think it's over is to wait until one other person agrees. That tends to avoid 99% of post game arguments about resigning early.

This fight has been fought a million times.

To avoid it, simply tell the other players this, "Im resigning unless some1 says something in 5 seconds." Then count down...its an easy way to avoid a shítstorm.

Fess, did you even read my post?

I said "If your allies weren't ready to resign then I think you should have played on from there.". From <THERE>. ie in that film, at that point, I don't think it would have been obvously over to the other 3 players on JPMs team. Did you even watch the film Fess?

I also said "Playing on for another few minutes to make sure (or until one or more of your allies agreed to gg) would be polite."

That's pretty much what you said. Wait until at least one of your allies will agree that it is gg. Or if somehow you have the worlds most stubborn allies and you are completely 100% sure that the game is still lost then maybe after giving them a couple of minutes warning you resign.

Chances are it won't come to that. If it really is a lost cause then at least one of your allies should be willing to call gg with you within a short period.

Stacking
 

After watching the film, one thing became apparent and stayed with me throughout the duration of the film (and no Jerry, it wasn't the smell from that bean burrito I had earlier ;) )

In a sentence - WiredNun stacked those teams like a wussy. Nun was the host, and had final say in how the teams were configured.

Thats my 2 cents anyway - JPM, you did fine, and your team had lost, the others on your side saying that you called "early" were alittle off (IMHO) -- it was over.

The only thing I can see that you did wrong was agreeing to those teams at the start.

- Hammer HC

Stacking
 

and No, my personal feelings about Nun in no way influenced my opinion about the stackage


- Hammer HC

Mmmm, I thought that too - with those players I would have regarded those teams as stacked against JPM's team.

However for all that I think it was the map and the lack of team coordination (which does come down partly to the skill levels I guess) which cost them the game.

Sorry Mist, guess I extrapolated the literal text of your post to an absurd extreme. Seems we agree.


In short, get agreement about when to gg. If you think it's over and you're a fairly smart person, chances are good that at least one of the other 3 agrees with you.

I forgot that Nun was the one that ran this game.....no wonder why he was ragging on me a couple of games we played yesterday.

Finally I had had enough of his *****es and demands and shouting and when he told me not to pick up one of those little post ruins with my first settlers and the ruin in site of my pain....starts yelling about room in my eco and what not.....I told him "Dude, this is getting old." Nun then resigns and bans me from his games. Did he bother to find out that I had 416/500 gold? Did he both to ask a little more nicely.....something like..Make sure you have enough room in your gold so it isn't wasted. But no...he has to get all bent out of shape.

Am I missing something? The way some people act it's like money is at stake. So what if I waste 20 gold. Is it worth all the aggrevation? Nun wil come back and say, well, you just don't listen to the vets. Yes, I do. Sometimes I take their advice, sometimes I don't. Hell, not all vets even give the same advice and often times are in direct contradiction.

As far as I can tell, I am getting better. Hell, I Know I'm better than a few people that don't automatically get labeled as noobs and then ragged on. Yes I am slower in getting eco and troops than the vets, but getting better. No, I don't do all the meta game things yet, well some, but not all, and I still am not exactly sure what someone was yelling about in reference to cycling......yes, keep the pressure up, don't let them heal or gain morale.....but my 2 units there had ZERO morale and if they routed, they probably would have routed to the city under attack because it was closet. Who knows.

But what Nun did, was very childish, in my opinion. To go through 2 or 3 games on the same team with him yelling and griping becasue we lost......and not all my fault for the loss....am I not allowed to vent back and tell someone to knock it off? I didn't swear, I didn't name call......just said it was getting old.

But looking at these posts here...I think I have better perspective on why he got so upset.......

Er, jpm, this goes on all the time.

Take it out on the battlefield bro....

It does look like teams were stacked but you made some pretty poor choices. You trashed your econ to get a couple inf/wiz early. Inf/wiz is almost never a good early company and you had a bunch of wood you weren't using. You should have mined that wood and made a bunch of sticks and made IE's and banks. Or you could have made superfeet or stick/cleric, both would have been a much better choice and given you a much better econ. You could have had a regiment of short sticks instead those 2 inf/wiz and a much higher econ. Once it became obvous you were gong to be the center of their attacks you should have started posting up like crazy. I do think the game was over, some of your teammates probably wanted to play on because they had *****d like crazy and finally made some troops they never got to use.

I can't remember exactly what your resources looked like but I seem to recall thinking you were doing pretty sensible stuff when I watched the film. Inf/Wiz is a fairly reasonable all around company (in that it doesn't have any particular weaknesses apart from being slow). Grond might be right that there could have been better choices... but it's not like you made a particularly bad choice.